What Is the Difference Between 115 grain vs 124 grain 9mm Ammo?

115 grain vs 124 grain Ammo
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What Is the Difference Between 115 grain vs 124 grain 9mm Ammo?

Ammo Showdown: 9mm 115gr vs 124gr

The difference is that 124 grain is heavier. That's it, that's the end of the blog post...Just kidding.

It isn't quite that simple, although some people will tell you it is.

As discussed in previous blogs, the grain of the round is the overall weight.

Grain is a very small unit of measure — so small it takes more than a few hundred grains to add up to 1 ounce.

So, the difference between a 115-grain round and a 124-grain round is the weight, sure. However, that's just the first and biggest difference, not the only difference.

When you change the weight of a round, you do more than just make it heavier.

You also change how the gun that’s firing it operates.

A heavier round changes how the gun cycles and how the round impacts the intended target — not to mention the recoil that you’ll feel when firing.

 

What is Ammo Grain?

Before we get into all of these differences, though, let's clarify something first: The grain number of the round refers specifically to the bullet itself.

It has nothing to do with the powder and is not the overall weight of the entire cartridge.

It's important to make the distinction because, as they say, knowledge is power.

Of course, so is mass. When the overall weight of the round is heavier, there's more mass flying at the target.

Before any science teachers launch a new Spanish Inquisition because of that last statement, we'll note that mass and weight aren't the same thing.

But if you're comparing two things that are composed of the same materials, it’s generally accurate to say that whichever one weighs more also has more mass.

 

Energy Delivered by the Round

So naturally, hurling heavier rounds at a target has the potential to deliver more energy into the target.

The heavier round is stuffing more mass into the same small space — like 90% of people wearing skinny jeans.

Think about it this way: All 9mm rounds are the same size — 9 millimeters — so more mass packed in that 9 millimeters means more energy being driven into the target.

115 grain vs 124 grain 9mm Ammo115 grain vs 124 grain 9mm Ammo

Remember the theory of relativity?

Energy is equal to mass times the speed of light squared.

Didn't know you were getting a science lesson today, did you?

All of this boils down to a couple of differences that you may or may not feel as a shooter.

 

Recoil Differences: 115gr vs 124gr 9mm Rounds

The first and most immediately detectable difference is in recoil.

Inevitably, someone will object, bringing up the powder load and other factors of the round that can change recoil.

This is valid because, yes, there are a lot of things that make up the ballistic profile of a particular round, and each can impact recoil, but bullet weight is absolutely one of those things.

This is where the mass of the round comes into play: The denser, heavier, round puts up more resistance to the gasses that are expanding and pushing it through the barrel.

This translates to more felt recoil.

9mm Ammo Weight and Velocity9mm Ammo Weight and Velocity

It may be that this is all a perception thing. Many people describe the lighter rounds as "snappy" in their recoil and say a bigger grain often feels like a flatter, more even push.

Even if this does come down to an issue of preference based on perception, you still want to get the round you like better.

Every range trip is valuable training time, and on top of that, shooting is supposed to be fun, so don't ruin it by getting stuck on a grain weight that recoils in a way you don't like.

 

Accuracy of Different Grain Rounds

Certain guns are more accurate with different grain weights.

You might find that you're Annie Oakley with a 115-grain round but Clint Eastwood's character in Unforgiven with a 124, for example.

You'll have to try different grains to find what works best for you, your gun and how you shoot.

 

Performance of Various Grain Weights

You might also find some guns perform better with different rounds.

While this can be affected by your grip and shooting style to a degree, in most cases certain guns just simply perform better with certain grain rounds.

This, again, is partially due to the mass: Some guns are designed to account for that pushback and some are not.

So what's the difference between 115-grain and 124-grain 9mm ammo?

The 124-grain is heavier. But that heaviness affects more than just how it feels when you hold it.

It affects the ballistics, the performance, the recoil and the energy.

Simply put, the difference between these rounds doesn't end with saying one is heavier than the other; it starts there.

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glenn valentine
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could some comment about 9mm 147 grain ammo??
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Lonell Hamilton
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I was wondering that myself... I've seen Sig teamed with Sierra for my Glock 45 Gen 5...may be a nice shot but it comes 90, 124 & 147 grain...I'm going to purchase all three and take a trip to the range... I'll leave updates after
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SteveK9
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Physics lesson needed here. Kinetic energy = 1/2 m v^2 (mc^2 is the conversion factor between mass and energy ... a bullet does not involve high energy physics). I don't know the answer but simply increasing the mass, if the velocity decreases, which will generally be true since higher mass has higher inertia (in fact that is the definition of mass), so equal pressure applied over the same period of time (that might also not be true) would decrease the velocity as the round exits the barrel.
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SteveK9
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Sorry about the typo and the overlong sentence. Should have been ' ... simply increasing the mass will not necessarily increase the kinetic energy, if the velocity decreases ... etc.
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Justin M. Carris
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Which is more accurate. Low grain vs High grain?
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bonjarta
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'...The denser, heavier, round puts up more resistance to the gasses that are expanding and pushing it through the barrel. This translates to more felt recoil...." .....this is actually the opposite advise from all of my other searches ?
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Clifford M. Deal
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So....close to my answer but no cigar... Loading 38 caliber {R} ammo rather than Auto, I want to know the speed variance if you use the same powder charge. Is there a way to figure the difference 20 grains of weight makes ?
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Joe
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Mass and weight are related by the same constant: gravity. It doesn’t matter if two objects are made of different materials because as long as you’re talking about being on earth the heavier object always has mor mass. This is because mass is defined as weight divided by the gravity or: mass = weight/gravity = weight/32.174 More weight means more mass regardless of the materials you are talking about
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Stephen Graham
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Quite the absurdly uninformative "article". The only usable info is that 124 grains weighs more than 115 grains (here on the surface of earth)! BY THE WAY, mass and weight are NOT the same (go back to your High School physics). Mass is INDEPENDENT of Gravity. The force of gravity upon a given mass is measured as weight. Lastly, neither 115, 124, or 147 grain 0mm is more accurate. For a given barrel, one might be more accurate than the other, but there is NO difference in the inherent accuracy of bullets with different weights. Recoil and muzzle-flip are 2 different phenpmena encountered when firing' they are both measurable by objective means "Perceived" recoil is an absolutely subjective thing.
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JD Shellnut
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I can comment that the 147 grain is typically subsonic and is therefore much more quiet when fired through a suppressor.
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Pat M Darling
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This was very interesting poeple alway saying she'll size has more powder but this is not the case restrictions between 115 gr and 124gr is a factor assume 115gr fly faster then a 124 grain but 124gr hits harder would this be correct
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joey
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147 grain is even heavier
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Jabe
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Unless you have measured the barrel exit speed of each round from the same gun you cannot determine the energy of either bullet. And unless you know that each powder load is identical you cannot make any comparison. What we can say is that given an equivalent powder load there will be equivalent initial pressure. With the same pressure the lighter bullet will exit the barrel in less time. The shorter the barrel transit time the less acceleration time the bullet has. This could be a limiting factor in barrel exit speed. Use a gun with a longer barrel and the bullet will exit at a higher speed. With regards to energy, the maximum energy either bullet will attain will not be higher than the energy of the powder load. For any gun with any mass bullet the ultimate energy will be limited by powder load.
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EDWARD ENGLISH
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One other issue I have heard relates to return spring. I have a Canik TP9 which I have hear has return springs tuned to NATO 124 gr. It's a Turkish gun. Some complain of stove pipes with 115 gr. You can get replacement springs tuned to 115 gr. I mostly shoot 115 gr and haven't run into this but haven't done a lot of shooting with it yet. I'm a snow bird and I bought it in Florida so I didn't need to deal with the checked airline baggage with my North guns. I haven't shot it a lot because I just bought and also because of ammo shortages but will check this out more in the Winter. This may be an issue with other guns with 124 gr springs.
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Michael Steven Martin
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I went to the range today shooting 3 different pistols. And my newest, a Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade. Bought it for myself a month ago, for my birthday, big, heavy, accurate. I started by shooting my XD9 first, and i knew that I had a mixed bag of ammo. 115 and 124. I am a newbie to precision sports. I noticed the 124s had a more solid recoil (and a bigger flash) than the 115s. I liked the 124s better and I shot better. Had that "push" described in the article. From here on out, for range practice, I'm requesting 124 grain.
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Richard a Millett
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Iv seen that if you are shooting low it could be ammo. 115 9mm has a lower point of impact then 124 is this true
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Red
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Ive shot 108gr and 115 today both are good as for the 124gr would not buy it because it's slower
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Johann
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It makes sense that heavier bullets drop more, if there are no differences in propellant forces, because the bullet would be travelling just a wee bit slower - thus taking an extra fraction of time to arrive at target. That fraction of time allows gravity to exert more pull down - thus a heavier bullet should have a wee bit more drop all else being equal. I confess I am not clear how barrel lengths and twist rates can affect travel - my guess is not much except for the fact any one barrel length may give enough time for the slower, heavier bullet, to receive more energy from the gases than a lighter, faster, bullet.
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Michael J Steinbrink
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can I get some ballistics or educated leadership here? Thats what I need. Is it worth the money to go from 115 to 124 or 147 as far as stopping power and trajectory?
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Kevin
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I wunder why no one mentioned the round itself. What would change, if anything, for say a 9mm FMJ , vs a 9mm JHP round. Wouldn't that alone change the grain? Just sayin' ???
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Rick
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KE=1/2mv^2.
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FTE Issues . Was told by friends and Beretta customer care that 124 grain will virtually eliminate the problem after a decent break in period. Does this make any sense at all????
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Have a Beretta Nano which has Known FTE issues. Was using 115 grain. Was told by friends and Beretta Customer customer care that this problem should be eliminated by using 124 grain after a reasonable break in period. Does this make any sense at all????
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Super cool guy or not…
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For practice purposes it really doesn’t matter. Most target distance isn’t going to be that far at all anyway, so it’s not going to make much difference one way or the other. Shooting a couple hundred rounds of 230 .45 will make a difference though, because your arms will get sore if you’re not in shape…
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Bob Bourgoin
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If you increase the bullet weight of a cartridge, all other factors like bullet material, obviously bore diameter remain the same, the bullet gets longer, which decreases the cases powder capacity if seated to the same depth as the lighter bullet. Bullet length and barrel twist impact the stability of the projectile in flight. Faster twists stabilize heavier bullets better. A factor to consider.
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Conan says
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The comments are more informative than the article. Lol!
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Kevin
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A grain is 1/7000th of a pound, so a very small unit of measure indeed. With ordinary target ammo I don't notice much difference between 115 and 124 grain. I generally prefer 124 though, because that weight is sort of the nominal 9mm bullet. Early in the cartridge's history they seemed to settle on that weight (which is an even 8 grams in metric). I'd be interested to know when 115 became common, and what the reason was. Material saving?
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Rob C
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So this tells us nothing USEFUL about the differences? Thanks for wasting time! What are the ballistic differences at 10, 25, or 50 yds? What changes in the impact on a threat target? We the public want to practice with the same grain what we carry, and ANY information about those could drastically change things for us.
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Lee Fisher
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A hollow point .45 will eliminate the need for all this detailed knowledge.
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chris
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to answer the ? I reload, say u r reloading max powder load, u must use less powder for heaver bullet, because it is harder to push, which will make more back pressure they will hit with the same energy when u buy self defense ammo look for fpe not bullet weight, energy = stopping power many ammo boxes don't have fpe lnfo u can google it and or go to bullet energy calculator, weight+feet per second=fpe foot pounds of energy
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Robert
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Since we were offered a science I have to make a correction. Energy is mass x speed-squared, not speed of light-squared.
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Brandon
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If you can't handle a heavier recoil you probably will not make it in a self-defense situation
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Brandon
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I've shot 150 grain all day and it's much more accurate
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Brandon
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Wrong. Simply because if you're in a gunfight you want to win
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Brandon
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Edit. If you want a heavier bullet go to 45
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Brandon
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Y'all motherfuckers must be target shooting. In real situations what's most important? You and your family lives? Or your fukin wrist? Man up guns are for defense. Period....
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I can clearly see the need for better STEM education after reading these comments.
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I can clearly see the need for better STEM education after reading these comments.
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John E. Hankwitz
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I can clearly see the need for better STEM education after reading these comments.
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Mark
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Don't over think this folks. Every firearm has different characteristics and each will fire any given ammo better than another. Knock down power is a moot point in that a poorly placed shot has no knock down power whatsoever. My ONLY point here is, get the ammo that YOUR gun fires the most accurately, then practice diligently with it. If it isn't broke, DON'T FIX IT!
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Steve
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My 357 likes a max velocity, slow burning powder with a 158 grain bullet. With that load it's a tack driver. My father-in-law's 357 likes a lower velocity, fast burning powder and a 125 grain bullet. With that load it's a tack driver. We switch rounds and my gun delivers a target spread that looks more like a shotgun pattern, same with his. So, it also matters how well your gun handles the load and how well it shoots. I know you are addressing 9mm rounds, not 357 Magnum. So, I'll say, I have several 9mm firearms. Some like 115 grain, some like 124 grain. My recommendation is try both, see which you prefer and then make a choice.
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TDavid
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sorry but the aritcle is awful and should be deleted and, if you want to post something, let someone who understands ballistics rewrite it. previous comments identify the problems. no need to restate them.
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jay
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yes. New High Powers were noted for this problem. 115 will sometimes stovepipe during the first 200-300 rds. no problem w/ 124's After break-in, the 115's run fine. Because the slide moves harder from the 124g, the recoil spring can tailor the recoil to a specific round/shooter style. +P, and +P+ ammo changes things also.
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Chuck
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I"m just getting back into shooting so please excuse me if I am a little off here. I am trying to remember what I had learned many years ago. All of this seems well and good but what is your pistol designed to shoot? The twist of the barrel may have a greater impact than the grains of the round. Different weapons are designed around different rounds. The AR 15 has barrel twists of 1:7, 1:8, 1:9, 1:12 because they are designed around certain rounds that are expected to be fired through them for accuracy. As I recall, John Browning designed the 1911 to fire a 230 gr bullet so the barrel was 5" long with something like a 1:8 twist to provide the greatest amount of accuracy for that sized round. Look and see what your pistol was designed to shoot and train on those rounds. If you do get into a firefight, chances are it won't be much different than most law enforcement officers. About 21 feet. Don't worry about the size. You're not trying to drop an Elk. You are trying to protect yourself and your family. Become proficient with what works best in your pistol.
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Watson
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In smaller compact and sub-compact guns I prefer the 9mm 65gr ARX Inceptor. The muzzle velocity is 1650 (fps). The muzzle energy is 393 (ft lbs). The felt recoil is negligible. Of course this would be for soft targets. If you believe the target would require penetrating auto glass or something similar than a heavier bullet like the 135gr Critical Duty might be suggested. Preferences are revised as the evolution of ammunition continues.
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Shindoryu
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Going by this articles comments, all this article has done has created more questions. My defense 9mm load is 147 Hornaday, I use 124 grain fmj for practice, knowing that one is going to shoot different over the other. IMHO, 115 grain is fine for range day/plinking. If looking for stopping power, 147 grain has a high potential.
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Mark Terrell
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With the same amount of propellant, would a lighter bullet be more accurate over a longer distance than a higher grain bullet?
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Tracy
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I am surprised the article didn't cover speed given most of the heavier stuff travels at slower speeds. I mean yeah could add gunposder to a heavier load to keep the speed up, but generally, when the weight goes up the speed goes down. 147 grain subsonic 9mm as a good example. Its true that "most" 9mm is already subsonic, but I get quite a few rounds that result in a supersonic crack (depending on the altitude and temperature that day). So when I want to shoot without ears, I usually go for the 147 grain.
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Mike Weathers
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Cleared me up on grain factors
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Richard Burton Jr
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Those with "Carpal Tunnel" will find 115 grain is easier and allow more time at the range practicing, as well as less mental caution when the time comes.
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